Discussion NSR Rally: Renault Clio R3 vs Abarth S2000

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    chapracer65
    chapracer65
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    I have not run a rally car so I have no experience in what works and what does not.  I have purchased the 1164 Abarth S2000 which came with a long can anglewinder.  From Shawn’s comments the greater torque of the long can may be difficult to control, as has been the case on the big track.  If that is the case then the long can could be disadvantaged.  At this point, without testing of the various configurations, guessing what setup will work best would seem to be a crapshoot.  Considering that at least three of the cars that members have purchased have the long can (including myself), I would be in favor of allowing the long can.  After this series, with more test and racing data, decisions about allowable motor configurations could be changed for future rally series.

    #12073
    Radial TA
    Radial TA
    Participant

    I vote to run NSR motors, any long or short can, any configuration, with changes allowed during the long series.

    My Fiat serial number 1164 has a swinging guide arm without any hold down screw, and axle grub screw holes but not grub screws.  I’m ordering the accessory kit with those parts and springs for the guide arm (I guess).

    #12098
    porsche917
    porsche917
    Moderator

    I am good with opening the rules up more and running any motor style and in any configuration.  The point of having just one option is one of cost.  If we open it up and someone is winning wiht a different option then everyone goes out and spends more money to make their car as identical to the winners as possible.  I think with such a new track and having no defined perfect set up it would be better to spend time driving and less on ordering.

    Marty

    Straight roads are for fast cars, turns are for fast drivers.  Colin McRae

    #12100
    Radial TA
    Radial TA
    Participant

    Our new Fiats have the triangular swing arm for the guide.  It would be a big help if a swing arm rally expert posted a demo for setting up the arm travel for our track.  The car came without an arm locking screw and axle grub screws, but NSR sells a parts kit with 4 different length screws, 4 axle grub screws and 2 springs.  I ordered the kit and should have it this week.

    #12174
    BarkingSpyder
    BarkingSpyder
    Participant

    RULES
    As of the 4/14 club meeting the rules have been finalized. NSR motors are required, but both short and long cans are allowed, recommended RPM is between 21k to 30k, with high torque (180 to 350gm-cm). Voltage regulation will be key to you picking the right motor and gear combination.
    NSR tires are mandatory, be careful of splitting when gluing tires.
    If you want to run the OEM chassis, pod, motor – that is fine – use the parts that you can Find, Afford and that work well for you. This is still an experimental series to help flesh out what possible combinations perform well. Obviously speed is important but as we saw in 2017 control and handling are more important. A certain amount of tire drift is desired for the tight corners; high torque motors ran at low RPM can be a good combination. Realize that max torque actually occurs at low voltage levels; it drops off as voltage and RPMs increase.
    David, Shawn, Stephen and Marty all produced some fantastic speeds in last years final races so we will be interested to see what architectures they use.

    PRACTICE
    I will write up instructions on how to open and setup the Rally track for practice. Official practice dates are in the Google Calendar – I will summarize them in the forum in a new post.

    ... I gotta 427, Z-28 a thousand horsepower straight outta the gate ... Frank Marino, "Bottom of the Barrel Blues" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUCRaGmoMt8

    #12176
    BarkingSpyder
    BarkingSpyder
    Participant

    CARS
    FIAT PUNTO: NSR1164AW Fiat Abarth S2000 Rally Vinho Madeir $107 NSR1043 (AW or IL WhiteKit) $109
    Hard to Find: NSR1057, 1040, 1030
    Clio-R3: NSR1016 $90 //others Hard to Find: NSR1045 (available as AW, IL, SW) NSR1014, 1015, 1020, 1029
    Clio-Cup: NSR1009 $90 NSR1035 $90 //others Hard to Find: NSR1011, 1012, 1013, 1019 1026 1025 1027
    NSR0009AW Renault Clio Cup “Piet Mondrian” Livery $87.00 /Triangle pod-Short can-Anglewinder
    NSR0009SW Renault Clio Cup “Piet Mondrian” Livery $87.00 /Triangle pod-Short can-Sidewinder

    PARTS LIST FOR REFERENCE
    (reco)NSR1239 Hardware Kit (springs, screws) for Ride Height Adjustment Drop Arm Chassis Cars $4.00
    NSR1238 Basic Screw Kit for ride Height Adjustment Drop Arm Chassis Cars $2.70

    NSR4809 M3 Setscrews 1.5mm Hex for 3mm Axle Applications $3.00
    NSR4842 Long-shaft Rally racing guide/ needs to be trimmed to 7mm long
    NSR4841 Low profile racing guide/ needs to be trimmed to 7mm long
    WHEEL Inserts: NSR5430-Black/ 5429-Blue/ 5432-Silver/ 5431-White/ 5428-Red

    NSR4836 METRIC BODY SCREW Smooth shank (10pcs) $5.00
    (reco) NSR1234 GUIDE DROP ARM 64mm XHARD VIOLET/RED $6.70
    NSR1254 EVO Inline Triangular EXTRAHARD Red Long Can Motor Mount $9.50
    NSR1259 EVO Anglewinder Triangular EXTRAHARD Red Long Can Motor Mount $9.50
    NSR1264 EVO Sidewinder Triangular XHARD Red Short Can Motor Mount $9.50
    (reco) NSR1484 Fiat Punto 2000/ Clio EVO Chassis (triangle pod) EXTRAHARD GREEN $15.00
    (alternative) NSR1438 Fiat Punto 2000/ Clio EVO Chassis (triangle pod) HARD WHITE $9.40
    NSR1202 Plastic Cups for Triangular Motor Support x10 $7.50
    (alternative) NSR1205 Plastic Cups for Classic NSR1249 Mosler EVO 3 Motor Support x10 $7.50
    (reco) NSR5206 Supergrip 19 x 10mm REAR Rally Tires (x4) $9.00
    (alternative) NSR5207 Ultragrip 19 x 10 REAR Rally Tires (x4) $9.00
    (reco) NSR5226, 5201 Zero Grip 17 x 8mm FRONT Tires $9.00
    NSR5003 FRONT 17 x 8mm ultra light (solid nib) aluminum wheels $13.00 ** can also be used for rear
    NSR5004 REAR 17 x 10mm Air System aluminum wheels $13.00

    (OEM Motor) NSR3023 KING EVO 3 Balanced Motor 21,400 RPM 350 g-cm Torque Magnetic Effect $17
    ….. (alternatives)
    NSR3017 KING EVO Motor 21,400 RPM 320 g-cm Torque Magnetic Effect
    NSR3022 KING EVO 2 Balanced Motor 21,400 RPM 322 g-cm Torque Magnetic Effect
    NSR3026 KING EVO Balanced Motor 25,000 RPM 350 g-cm Torque Magnetic Effect
    NSR3027 KING EVO Balanced Motor 30,000 RPM 365 g-cm Torque Magnetic Effect
    NSR3002 SHARK standard Mabuchi Short-can 30,000 RPM 210 g-cm Torque
    NSR3003 SHARK Balanced standard Short-can 25,000 RPM 176 g-cm Torque
    NSR3001 SHARK standard Mabuchi Short-can 22,400 RPM 168 g-cm Torque
    NSR3004 SHARK Balanced standard Short-can 20,000 RPM 164 g-cm Torque

    ... I gotta 427, Z-28 a thousand horsepower straight outta the gate ... Frank Marino, "Bottom of the Barrel Blues" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUCRaGmoMt8

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